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Someone please help me on this line issue

floyd
floyd

Florida,US

Posted Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:29 pm
Someone please help me on this line issue
I keep having trouble w/ braided line snapping- primarily on hook- sets.

When I started getting serious about bass fishing about 18 months ago, everyone who knew absolutely nothing suggested Power Pro. Especially salt water guys. So I spooled on some 20 lb test and my hooks sets started snapping. Good back lashes- it snapped. And I mean w/ no weight, just a hook and a Horny Toad. Nothing like looking down to see a birds nest and then looking up to see your junk doing a ‘pre-burn” for re-entry. 30 lb test, same deal- especially on casts where the fish hits the bait immediately. Buuuh-Bump, reel in the slack, hip move, hook-set, BING! line snaps.

So I switch to Stealth, as I’ve heard it’s better and there are fewer wind knots. Wind knots are a big deal to me since I do about 80% of my fishing at night. Same deal. Snaps and breaks. My neighbor has worked at Dicks and BPS for the last 10 years, so I ask him- WTF is up with this braid? It just breaks on me all the time. He’s dumbfounded and talks about cutting hands on braid, and pulling boats on braid. I agree- and this will lead to my theory. We experiment w/ knots and rule that out as a possible culprit

I started entering tournaments so I’m looking to eliminate this issue. I go for the Fireline, even though the reviews say it buries itself into the spool. I spool both set-ups with 30lb test. I modify my knot- the “old fisherman’s knot”, but now I fold over about a foot section and string both pieces of line through the eyelet before starting my knot. If you tie this knot correctly, you will be trimming 3 tags (1 loop and 1 lone ranger). The self bedding issue is negligible, and after several casts, this stuff becomes more pliable. 30 lb test works good, but I would like more workability w/ lower test.

OK- so here I am. I have a tourney next week and I’m trying to practice. I measure the difference in castability between 20 vs 30 and it’s significant. Also, I note that I cannot get a jig or tube to descend as needed on the 30. So I spool my Chronarch D w/ 20 lb test. I’m fishing a fluke minnow through a ball of shad yesterday- tick-tick… I go to set the hook and PING! Line snaps. My intended victim jumps, and this bass can’t be a pound!

Today- it rains like hell here. So I throw my daughter in the back seat and we hit some local retention ponds. I love to flip a tube or trick worm into those culverts after a good rain! Never fails, I get a bite, but this bite isn’t the tick-tick… It’s that infamous bhaaa..BUMP. (for the guys who know, you know what I’m talking about) I give her a second, reel in the slack, make my hip turn and……..BING! Line snaps. I could throw up. My daughter asks what GD means.

So here is my theory: Braid cannot handle instant tension. Because it has virtually no stretch it will snap when immediate, violent pressure is applied (like a hook set or a real bad backlash). It’s like the old horsepower vs torque argument. Braid can handle 1000 feet of torque, (school bus) but couldn’t handle something that is high reving horsepower (think Ninja motorcycle). That’s why you can pull a boat with it at a steady tension, but it snaps like dental floss on a quick stopping backlash.

So I’d love to hear your all’s thoughts on this. I’m pissed, and frustrated. I refuse to go to braid w/ mono leader since I’m re-tying so often. I can’t afford 10 set ups. Do I go to mono? Flouro? Do I stick w/ 30-50 lb Firewire and just make it work? I fish a ton of pads and grass. I target big fish. Both rods are St Croix w/ pristine Fuji guides. Both reels are Shimano Chronarchs w/ drag set up properly.

Is it possible to be setting the hook too aggressively? I watch the pros and they practically fall out of the boat sometimes! I try to set the hook with more of a body turn vs an arm "whip". Agin, trying to apply torque, and not so much "horsepower"

Looking forward to the feedback!

Floyd

floyd

MarkM
MarkM

Mississippi,US

Posted Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:31 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
I dont know if it will help you problem or not but use a palomar knot it may be the knot you use slipping and not necassarily the line or knot breaking.

Mark

floyd
floyd

Florida,US

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:57 am
Re: Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
Nope- the stuff is just snapping!

floyd

bassindow
bassindow

Florida,US

Posted Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:41 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
A palomar not will work well .Try stren line in stead or you can just use flourocarbon like we do 8lb pulls in or big bass ! Good luck and don't break line on a 500$ week! :)bassindow

Bassindow

tweinz
tweinz

Ontario,CA

Posted Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:51 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
i use the trilene knot with 10 pound powerpro, i never get snaps or breaks. i fish heavy cabbage and do some heavy hauling with no problems. i used this for musky, pike, bass, and carp and i never have line breaks or slips. i've used powerpro with this knot for three years now and i'll never switch back.

here is the link.

http://www.netknots.com/html/trilene_knot.html

TWEINZ--theres no other KEINZ

tweinz
tweinz

Ontario,CA

Posted Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:27 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
i also use a light weight wire leader. with the 10 pound powerpro. just in case i get into some pike or other teethy fish. i caught a 4 pound largemouth a couple weeks ago in very heavy cover, on a rubber frog. my hook set was so hard that both hooks went through its mouth and out of its head. powerpro and the trilene knot works awesome.

TWEINZ--theres no other KEINZ

marcthefisherman
marcthefisherman

Ontario,CA

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:19 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
Yep it sounds like the knot ot me...braid slips, tie extra tuff knots and it should help. I twist my line an extra 4-5 times then I would with mono and hardly ever get snaps or slips

One more cast....ok last one

ryanreny
ryanreny

Florida,US

Posted Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:57 pm
Re: Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
if your going to use the clinch knot with braid take it through the eye of the hook twice and it will never slip.

blackspotfishing
blackspotfishing

Louisiana,US

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:10 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
Floyd I use to have this issue with the regular fishing knot slipping with braid, I then went to a polomar knot and have not any issues since. I can attest that 30 pound Vicious Braid is the best, and I set the hook as hard as can be on redfish up tp 35 pounds. Redfish are pound for pound the strongest inshore fighting fish to test all equiptment. Now i have been fishing professional redfish tournaments for 2 years, and have heard of instances with power pro having a bad batch of line every so often, Some of the best pros would come in saying "I don't know whats going on but i popped 5 good fish off today and it was the braid I always use." The next day they said " I threw that spool away, bought another spool and havent had any problems" and believe me these guys are fishing for 30 to 40 thousand bucks. In my opinion use a polomar knot, vicious braid and give it a huge hook set.

Brandon Treadaway

ryanreny
ryanreny

Florida,US

Posted Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:52 pm
Re: Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
if your going to use the clinch knot with braid take it through the eye of the hook twice and it will never slip.

FISHINMA
FISHINMA

Utah,US

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:22 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
Could be that knot...have you checked your eyelets for nicks? I had that problem with an old rod. I can't imagine braided snapping if you have your drag set right also. My favorite is 8llb Berkley fireline it's pretty universal for many species including the toothy ones. I also like Shakespear's 12llb Cajun mono if your just too pissed off at the braided!lol GL kiddo!
Smiles Always!

MA

Fishinggeek
Fishinggeek

Saskatchewan,CA

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:01 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
I also had a problem with power-pro breaking after i switched from mono. Sounds stupid but all our rods had hard plastic eyeleds, Braid will eventually make a small groove in the plastic, and every cast would fray the line making it weaker with every cast. Make sure you use rods with metal eyeleds. Also if you are casting rather than baitfishing. I would rather use fireline crystal (white). I use 15lb crystal with a 17lb mono leed, I found powerpro sometimes knots up after casting regularly. Plus crystal casts farther anyway. PS- With powerpro I have had clients set the hook on 30+lb bows like they are setting the hook on a whale and it never snaps. Something smells Fishy there..........

fishinggeeks.net

freshwaterphi
freshwaterphi

Quebec,CA

Posted Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:08 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
I've never run into a problem with Power Pro snapping, even when big carp run it along razor sharp zebra mussel covered rocks. Mind you I'm using 50 lb / 12 lb diameter for carping.

I've been usisng 14 lb Fireline for years, never had a problem with knots, just picked up a big spool of 20 lb Power Pro, haven't tried it yet, but my buddy uses it and it hasnt snapped either.

I would guess you having a knot problem. I always use palomars and stress test after I tie each knot to make sure it's holding. Just grab you lure in one hand, your line in the other and give it a good tug. If it snaps, you did something wrong.

Freshwaterphil.com

floyd
floyd

Florida,US

Posted Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:54 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
You guys are AWESOME!!! It's funny, because it's a 50/50 split on folks who say, you must be crazy- braid doesn't break, or you don't know how to tie a knot, VS. people who are aware of how braid can snap. Trust me, it's not the knot! My neighbor and I even tested some braid and knots by placing the hook in a vise and backing away w/ the string wrapped around a golf club- never did the knots fail. I'm taking down everyone's feedback and will be experimenting. Thanks again guys (and Ma!)- you all are what make this such an awesome site!

floyd

CortezFisherman
CortezFisherman

Florida,US

Posted Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:22 am
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
We saltwater guys use a flourocarbon leader with PowerPro usually tied with a line to line knot. In 4-5 years of fishing this setup I have had only one break and that was at a small wind knot that I didn't notice. So the theory of the knot being the issue is confirmed in my opinion...

http://www.cortezfishing.com

Igor
Igor

Ontario,CA

Posted Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:19 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
1st set the drag loose I am using 2lb dia powerpro braid and no problems even pulled a few small trees up on a snag or 2..also I use firelines I find them the best...and no line holds instint tension the rods flex and the spring in the line act as a damper but it seems you have to consider the action of the rod,stretch in the line and how loose the drag should be..so a stiif rod with stiff line wouldnt be the best combo for a aggresive hook setter..I use stiff rods with stiff lines but have my drag loose enough for a med.size fish can peel some line and set the hook not too hard but set it twice ...Gl and fish on...

fish on...

OldFart
OldFart

Virginia,US

Posted Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:30 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
Floyd, I spooled up 3 cat poles with PP and changed it after the first time I used it.Switch to Spiderwire stealth.Ties and holds up better.

Old-Fart Catfisher Va.

shakytexas
shakytexas

Texas,US

Posted Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:44 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
MY THOUGHTS ON THIS SITUATION IS TO JUST LEAVE THE BRAID ALONE,IVE ALWAYS USED THE ORIGINAL STREN CLEAR BLUE FLOURESCENT HAS STRETCH LOW VISIBILITY AND KNOT STRENGTH HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE .I HAVE REELED IN SOME MOSTER BLACK DRUM IN SALTWATER AND IF YOUVE EVER HOOKED INTO ONE OF THOSE YOU WILL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT AND THIS LINE NEVER FAILED ME ,BUT IF YOU WANT A STRONGER KNOT IF THIS AINT THE ONE YOUR USING WITH THE BRAID IS A CLINCH KNOT ITS QUICK AND STRONG BUT IF YOU TIE IT WRONG YOULL END UP WITH A SLIPKNOT,GOODLUCK.

"EARLY TO BED EARLY TO RISE FISH LIKE HELL AND MAKE UP LIES"

frosty
frosty

Ontario,CA

Posted Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:59 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
I've used them all, and the only braided line that i have not had an issue with is tuff line xp. I use 80lb test on my muskie rigs 40 lb on largie rigs and 10lb for walleye. I suggest a polamar knot on the lighter stuff buty when switching to the big line go with a double clinch knot. tuff line is the toughest and defenately you have the benefit of a rounder line with no spool dig ins like you get with fireline.
aarope1
aarope1

Minnesota,US

Posted Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:45 pm
Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
I have experienced a similar problem and figured out that it was the eyelet on my hooks. The braid being so thin was actually wedging its way into the eyelet. It wouldn't pull through because it looked like a clean break. You should be able to see part of the knot if the knot comes undone. I switched back to mono for the most part, but also went away from the hooks I was using because of it. It was awhile ago, so I don't remember the brand of hook I was using. If I am using braided, I always look at the hook before using it to make sure the gap is small and clean.

www.hotrodbaits.com

cacabait
cacabait

New Mexico,US

Posted Mon Oct 5, 2009 4:38 pm
Re: Re: Someone please help me on this line issue
well guys I use power pro on my catfish although i havn't gotten into anything over 10 lbs in this part of newmexico i do fish in heavy running rocky rivers and onec you hook on to a 5 to 10 pounder your fighting the river as much as your fighting the catfish that wants to dig in the rocks . as far setting the hook hard i use a self seting invention that sets fast and hard never had any kind of break i use a 3/O treble hook with a 2 oz egg sinker on the hook i tie up a hang mens loose around the shank of the hook then throgh the eye . ive used 20lb 6 di and 30 never had a prob . all though i have noticed in time the line drys out and seems to look brittle so i soak in tuna oil or sardine oil not only keeps line looking new also atracts fish .

my best fishing partner .is my loving wife,

cacabait
cacabait

New Mexico,US

Posted Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:38 am
Re: The banjo Minnow
hey members im thinking of ordering the banjo minnow does it work as good as they say ?

my best fishing partner .is my loving wife,

FISHINMA
FISHINMA

Utah,US

Posted Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:06 pm
Re: Re: The banjo Minnow
Don't waste your money. I'm not impressed with Banjo and have many other go too lures that beat Banjo hands down!
Smiles Always!

MA

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